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	<title>Comments on: Quality of life for Australians 2nd only to Norway, but for Aboriginal peoples 122nd</title>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2021 03:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thestringer.com.au/quality-of-life-for-australians-2nd-only-to-norway-but-for-aboriginal-peoples-122nd-1345/comment-page-1#comment-1285&quot;&gt;Bob Durnan&lt;/a&gt;.

i think this is ludicrous bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thestringer.com.au/quality-of-life-for-australians-2nd-only-to-norway-but-for-aboriginal-peoples-122nd-1345/comment-page-1#comment-1285">Bob Durnan</a>.</p>
<p>i think this is ludicrous bob</p>
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		<title>By: WGAR News</title>
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		<dc:creator>WGAR News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2015 04:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reps from KLC will travel to NY for 20 April meeting of permanent forum on Indigenous issues

WGAR News: Kimberley Land Council to ask UN forum to condemn Indigenous community closures: Calla Wahlquist, The Guardian

https://indymedia.org.au/2015/04/10/wgar-news-kimberley-land-council-to-ask-un-forum-to-condemn-indigenous-community-closures

Contents:

* Video: Rachael Thornton, The Feed, SBS: Indigenous communities facing closure [Featuring Aboriginal people from WA homelands]
* Personal Story: Samantha Martin, Sunday Style, news.com.au: It’s more than just a &#039;lifestyle choice&#039;, it’s my home
* Analysis / Opinion: Calla Wahlquist, The Guardian: Kimberley Land Council to ask UN forum to condemn Indigenous community closures
* Analysis / Opinion: Michelle Lovegrove &#038; Andrea Booth, NITV: Indigenous MP Linda Burney condems WA remote community closures

* Analysis / Opinion: Bridie Jabour, The Guardian: SA Indigenous figures fear funding dispute could lead to &#039;cultural genocide&#039;
* Analysis / Opinion: Catholic Communications, Sydney Archdiocese: Funding Cuts to Remote WA and SA Communities Will Destroy Aboriginal Life
* News Analysis: Natalie Whiting, ABC News: Remote SA Aboriginal communities reassured they will stay open in face of national funding cuts
* Audio: Natalie Whiting, The World Today: SA Aboriginal groups assured communities won&#039;t close

* WGAR News: Breaking News - 10 April 2015: Over Thirteen Thousand People Shut down Melbourne: CAAMA

* Poster: Stop the Forced Closure of Aboriginal Communities in Australia, facebook: &quot;We would like to confirm that that 2nd National Call of Action will be held Friday 1st May 2015.&quot;
* Facebook: Stop the Forced Closure of Aboriginal Communities in Australia

* WGAR Background: Plans to close Aboriginal homelands / remote communities in WA and SA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reps from KLC will travel to NY for 20 April meeting of permanent forum on Indigenous issues</p>
<p>WGAR News: Kimberley Land Council to ask UN forum to condemn Indigenous community closures: Calla Wahlquist, The Guardian</p>
<p><a href="https://indymedia.org.au/2015/04/10/wgar-news-kimberley-land-council-to-ask-un-forum-to-condemn-indigenous-community-closures" rel="nofollow ugc">https://indymedia.org.au/2015/04/10/wgar-news-kimberley-land-council-to-ask-un-forum-to-condemn-indigenous-community-closures</a></p>
<p>Contents:</p>
<p>* Video: Rachael Thornton, The Feed, SBS: Indigenous communities facing closure [Featuring Aboriginal people from WA homelands]<br />
* Personal Story: Samantha Martin, Sunday Style, news.com.au: It’s more than just a &#8216;lifestyle choice&#8217;, it’s my home<br />
* Analysis / Opinion: Calla Wahlquist, The Guardian: Kimberley Land Council to ask UN forum to condemn Indigenous community closures<br />
* Analysis / Opinion: Michelle Lovegrove &amp; Andrea Booth, NITV: Indigenous MP Linda Burney condems WA remote community closures</p>
<p>* Analysis / Opinion: Bridie Jabour, The Guardian: SA Indigenous figures fear funding dispute could lead to &#8216;cultural genocide&#8217;<br />
* Analysis / Opinion: Catholic Communications, Sydney Archdiocese: Funding Cuts to Remote WA and SA Communities Will Destroy Aboriginal Life<br />
* News Analysis: Natalie Whiting, ABC News: Remote SA Aboriginal communities reassured they will stay open in face of national funding cuts<br />
* Audio: Natalie Whiting, The World Today: SA Aboriginal groups assured communities won&#8217;t close</p>
<p>* WGAR News: Breaking News &#8211; 10 April 2015: Over Thirteen Thousand People Shut down Melbourne: CAAMA</p>
<p>* Poster: Stop the Forced Closure of Aboriginal Communities in Australia, facebook: &#8220;We would like to confirm that that 2nd National Call of Action will be held Friday 1st May 2015.&#8221;<br />
* Facebook: Stop the Forced Closure of Aboriginal Communities in Australia</p>
<p>* WGAR Background: Plans to close Aboriginal homelands / remote communities in WA and SA</p>
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		<title>By: WGAR News</title>
		<link>https://thestringer.com.au/quality-of-life-for-australians-2nd-only-to-norway-but-for-aboriginal-peoples-122nd-1345/comment-page-1#comment-24724</link>
		<dc:creator>WGAR News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2015 01:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Australia&#039;s Human Rights Score Card

WGAR News: Nearly 200 organisations outline concern for UN over Australia&#039;s declining human rights performance: HRLC

https://indymedia.org.au/2015/04/08/wgar-news-nearly-200-organisations-outline-concern-for-un-over-australias-declining-human

Contents: 

* Audio Interview: CAAMA: National Congress lobbying for first peoples human rights [Featuring Les Malezer]
* News Analysis: Human Rights Law Centre: Nearly 200 organisations outline concern for UN over Australia&#039;s declining human rights performance
* Submission: Australia&#039;s Human Rights Score Card: Australia&#039;s 2nd Universal Periodic Review: Joint NGO Submission on behalf of the Australian NGO Coalition
* News Analysis: Max Chalmers, New Matilda: Australia&#039;s Human Rights Community Has Dobbed Us In To The United Nations

* Background &#038; Key Dates: HRLC: Universal Periodic Review of Australia

WGAR News - Working Group for Aboriginal Rights (Australia)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Australia&#8217;s Human Rights Score Card</p>
<p>WGAR News: Nearly 200 organisations outline concern for UN over Australia&#8217;s declining human rights performance: HRLC</p>
<p><a href="https://indymedia.org.au/2015/04/08/wgar-news-nearly-200-organisations-outline-concern-for-un-over-australias-declining-human" rel="nofollow ugc">https://indymedia.org.au/2015/04/08/wgar-news-nearly-200-organisations-outline-concern-for-un-over-australias-declining-human</a></p>
<p>Contents: </p>
<p>* Audio Interview: CAAMA: National Congress lobbying for first peoples human rights [Featuring Les Malezer]<br />
* News Analysis: Human Rights Law Centre: Nearly 200 organisations outline concern for UN over Australia&#8217;s declining human rights performance<br />
* Submission: Australia&#8217;s Human Rights Score Card: Australia&#8217;s 2nd Universal Periodic Review: Joint NGO Submission on behalf of the Australian NGO Coalition<br />
* News Analysis: Max Chalmers, New Matilda: Australia&#8217;s Human Rights Community Has Dobbed Us In To The United Nations</p>
<p>* Background &amp; Key Dates: HRLC: Universal Periodic Review of Australia</p>
<p>WGAR News &#8211; Working Group for Aboriginal Rights (Australia)</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
		<link>https://thestringer.com.au/quality-of-life-for-australians-2nd-only-to-norway-but-for-aboriginal-peoples-122nd-1345/comment-page-1#comment-22877</link>
		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2014 01:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,
Having known people who have been in that area for about a decade I can freely say that you seem to be out of your depth as to real details. Trivial comments such as to whether the community exists, as I assure you that it does, show the lack of real information which goes around the white world and its&#039; press. I wonder how much money is spent on the people in the same in situation in the outer west of Sydney. Saying that aboriginals get too much funding and preferential treatment shows the the hypocrisy of the system. 

In the case of Utopia a coordinator position will be created but at what cost $360,000. It seems that the government is the one which is responsible for creating a level of bureaucracy which is taking tax payers money away where from where it should be going.

In northern Queensland mining companies have persistantly done there best to take minerals and provide minimal funding to local communities. Giving them access to income flow such as exists with Indian tribes in the US which would allow them to be strong once the minerals have been exhausted.

$3.m million dollars is a trivial amount of money to pay given that suicide rates however you look at them are ridiculously high. I can&#039;t recall of hearing about people living in urban areas having trouble getting to sleep because the youth have been sniffing paint and other toxic substances because they have no future. They can&#039;t even afford &#039;main stream&#039; drugs which we have on the streets in places like Perth or Sydney.

The aborigines are poverished but so is the information which we get about them. Nice article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,<br />
Having known people who have been in that area for about a decade I can freely say that you seem to be out of your depth as to real details. Trivial comments such as to whether the community exists, as I assure you that it does, show the lack of real information which goes around the white world and its&#8217; press. I wonder how much money is spent on the people in the same in situation in the outer west of Sydney. Saying that aboriginals get too much funding and preferential treatment shows the the hypocrisy of the system. </p>
<p>In the case of Utopia a coordinator position will be created but at what cost $360,000. It seems that the government is the one which is responsible for creating a level of bureaucracy which is taking tax payers money away where from where it should be going.</p>
<p>In northern Queensland mining companies have persistantly done there best to take minerals and provide minimal funding to local communities. Giving them access to income flow such as exists with Indian tribes in the US which would allow them to be strong once the minerals have been exhausted.</p>
<p>$3.m million dollars is a trivial amount of money to pay given that suicide rates however you look at them are ridiculously high. I can&#8217;t recall of hearing about people living in urban areas having trouble getting to sleep because the youth have been sniffing paint and other toxic substances because they have no future. They can&#8217;t even afford &#8216;main stream&#8217; drugs which we have on the streets in places like Perth or Sydney.</p>
<p>The aborigines are poverished but so is the information which we get about them. Nice article.</p>
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		<title>By: The Stringer</title>
		<link>https://thestringer.com.au/quality-of-life-for-australians-2nd-only-to-norway-but-for-aboriginal-peoples-122nd-1345/comment-page-1#comment-22873</link>
		<dc:creator>The Stringer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2014 10:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thestringer.com.au/quality-of-life-for-australians-2nd-only-to-norway-but-for-aboriginal-peoples-122nd-1345/comment-page-1#comment-22872&quot;&gt;Roslyn Ross&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Roslyn, agree with you on so many counts. On the spend on disadvantage you may be interested in reading this: http://thestringer.com.au/25-4-billion-spent-on-aboriginal-disadvantage-is-a-lie/#.U5Q0Lyhhvqw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thestringer.com.au/quality-of-life-for-australians-2nd-only-to-norway-but-for-aboriginal-peoples-122nd-1345/comment-page-1#comment-22872">Roslyn Ross</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Roslyn, agree with you on so many counts. On the spend on disadvantage you may be interested in reading this: <a href="http://thestringer.com.au/25-4-billion-spent-on-aboriginal-disadvantage-is-a-lie/#.U5Q0Lyhhvqw" rel="ugc">http://thestringer.com.au/25-4-billion-spent-on-aboriginal-disadvantage-is-a-lie/#.U5Q0Lyhhvqw</a></p>
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		<title>By: Roslyn Ross</title>
		<link>https://thestringer.com.au/quality-of-life-for-australians-2nd-only-to-norway-but-for-aboriginal-peoples-122nd-1345/comment-page-1#comment-22872</link>
		<dc:creator>Roslyn Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2014 09:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and the real tragedy is that Australia pours $24billion a year into trying to improve that quality of life for Aborigines who make up 3% of the population, although the real problems are with traditional Aborigines who probably make up 1% of the population and after years and billions of dollars, probably trillions, and as much time and effort it is clear that nothing has worked but not from want of money, effort, wishing or wanting.

The policy of supporting traditional aborigines in being separate from the greater community has been as much of a disaster in Australia as it has in Canada and the US. If quality of life is to be improved and to reach that of non-traditional Aboriginal Australians then Aboriginal Australians need to move into the broader community and assimilate.

 The policy of land rights has patently not worked and even former extremist radicals like Marcia Langton and Noel Pearson are now saying that the only answer is jobs - and that means joining the broader Australian community and forcing Aboriginal parents to send their children to school as happens with non-Aboriginal Australians, or, as Pearson suggested, taking children away from their parents and sending them to boarding schools so that they will have a future.

Traditional Aborigines have been treated leniently by comparison with non-Aboriginal Australians in terms of domestic abuse, child abuse and domestic violence, alcoholism and living in unsanitary conditions. We now have, despite the billions of dollars, generations of brain-damaged and dysfunctional people and another generation on the way.

Only a fool keeps doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Being colonised is traumatic but it has happened to people in every nation on earth. The ongoing dysfunction has arisen in those groups which have been encouraged to remain separate, chasing some delusional notion of &#039;holding on&#039; to a long-gone, supposedly traditional way of life. Nomadic life was brutal and as the earliest records show, Aboriginal society was violent toward other tribes, war and fighting were constant; men were violent toward women and children and the realities of living as a nomad necessitated cruelties which have no place in a modern world.

If other colonised peoples,  have managed to survive and maintain the best of their culture as they assimilate then so can and must Aborigines. As an Australian I would have been absolutely delighted to see the separate development Aborigines were told they wanted, work, and I would not have cared how much money was poured into the issues if they brought a better quality of life. But they have not and they will not and now it is time for change.
For most Australians every one of their ancestors has had to assimilate and in the doing created Australia and Australians. Aborigines are no different if they are to have the quality of life which most Australians have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and the real tragedy is that Australia pours $24billion a year into trying to improve that quality of life for Aborigines who make up 3% of the population, although the real problems are with traditional Aborigines who probably make up 1% of the population and after years and billions of dollars, probably trillions, and as much time and effort it is clear that nothing has worked but not from want of money, effort, wishing or wanting.</p>
<p>The policy of supporting traditional aborigines in being separate from the greater community has been as much of a disaster in Australia as it has in Canada and the US. If quality of life is to be improved and to reach that of non-traditional Aboriginal Australians then Aboriginal Australians need to move into the broader community and assimilate.</p>
<p> The policy of land rights has patently not worked and even former extremist radicals like Marcia Langton and Noel Pearson are now saying that the only answer is jobs &#8211; and that means joining the broader Australian community and forcing Aboriginal parents to send their children to school as happens with non-Aboriginal Australians, or, as Pearson suggested, taking children away from their parents and sending them to boarding schools so that they will have a future.</p>
<p>Traditional Aborigines have been treated leniently by comparison with non-Aboriginal Australians in terms of domestic abuse, child abuse and domestic violence, alcoholism and living in unsanitary conditions. We now have, despite the billions of dollars, generations of brain-damaged and dysfunctional people and another generation on the way.</p>
<p>Only a fool keeps doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Being colonised is traumatic but it has happened to people in every nation on earth. The ongoing dysfunction has arisen in those groups which have been encouraged to remain separate, chasing some delusional notion of &#8216;holding on&#8217; to a long-gone, supposedly traditional way of life. Nomadic life was brutal and as the earliest records show, Aboriginal society was violent toward other tribes, war and fighting were constant; men were violent toward women and children and the realities of living as a nomad necessitated cruelties which have no place in a modern world.</p>
<p>If other colonised peoples,  have managed to survive and maintain the best of their culture as they assimilate then so can and must Aborigines. As an Australian I would have been absolutely delighted to see the separate development Aborigines were told they wanted, work, and I would not have cared how much money was poured into the issues if they brought a better quality of life. But they have not and they will not and now it is time for change.<br />
For most Australians every one of their ancestors has had to assimilate and in the doing created Australia and Australians. Aborigines are no different if they are to have the quality of life which most Australians have.</p>
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		<title>By: Kamal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kamal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2014 20:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerry and others
Nice information to read. Can I please ask the reference for HDI (122nd) for Indigenous Australians?
Thanks.
kamal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerry and others<br />
Nice information to read. Can I please ask the reference for HDI (122nd) for Indigenous Australians?<br />
Thanks.<br />
kamal</p>
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		<title>By: Iliapi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iliapi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry i just caught up (1year later) with this great rhetorical data analysis of a group of people, one of the oldest living cultures of the World - something we should be all proud of. Bob might not agree with this.
But leaving that a side, lets keep this discussion going and keep it burning, to get some positive outcome to the JaaraWoman&#039;s people with real action to bring about some social balance in the right perspective of treating each other with respect and as dignified human beings. 
Lets do the right thing to our own people first, before we try to tell the World what to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry i just caught up (1year later) with this great rhetorical data analysis of a group of people, one of the oldest living cultures of the World &#8211; something we should be all proud of. Bob might not agree with this.<br />
But leaving that a side, lets keep this discussion going and keep it burning, to get some positive outcome to the JaaraWoman&#8217;s people with real action to bring about some social balance in the right perspective of treating each other with respect and as dignified human beings.<br />
Lets do the right thing to our own people first, before we try to tell the World what to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Walrus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2014 00:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thestringer.com.au/quality-of-life-for-australians-2nd-only-to-norway-but-for-aboriginal-peoples-122nd-1345/comment-page-1#comment-1652&quot;&gt;Bob&lt;/a&gt;.

The difference is that Aboriginal people in poverty are in poverty in a first world country, and therefore it is an utter disgrace that some communities are living in horrific conditions. And they are closer to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thestringer.com.au/quality-of-life-for-australians-2nd-only-to-norway-but-for-aboriginal-peoples-122nd-1345/comment-page-1#comment-1652">Bob</a>.</p>
<p>The difference is that Aboriginal people in poverty are in poverty in a first world country, and therefore it is an utter disgrace that some communities are living in horrific conditions. And they are closer to us.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorthe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorthe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2013 09:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like some other people have commented, it also saddens me terribly that people want to bicker about indiscrepancies of small percentages and try to prove you wrong instead of admitting that the situation is totally disgraceful. The Indigenous population are by and large, the forgotten population by the government and by mainstream society, a situation which cannot be deemed anything but unjust. You cannot deny this reality no matter what statistics you argue against, and why you would want to try is beyond me and a very sad measure of your quality as a human being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like some other people have commented, it also saddens me terribly that people want to bicker about indiscrepancies of small percentages and try to prove you wrong instead of admitting that the situation is totally disgraceful. The Indigenous population are by and large, the forgotten population by the government and by mainstream society, a situation which cannot be deemed anything but unjust. You cannot deny this reality no matter what statistics you argue against, and why you would want to try is beyond me and a very sad measure of your quality as a human being.</p>
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