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		<title>By: Ron Hayman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Hayman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2021 07:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, let me say that I understand how aborigines have been badly treated over the years, and am sympathetic.  You make some excellent points, even if the emotive language is a bit overdone.  Now, my step-father was dark skinned, and in the 1950s I was always told he was part Indian.  I loved him as a father, and his mother was always my &quot;nanna&quot;.  Apparently it wasn&#039;t the done thing back then to acknowledge any aboriginal heritage.  It wasn&#039;t until much later, when I began to get seriously into genealogy, that the truth started emerging.

My father told me stories about how his white father had abandoned them, and how he was sent to live with his grandfather who was a farmer near Lakes Entrance in Victoria.  A bit more research revealed that his grandfather was in fact Indian, and had married an aboriginal woman.  My dark skinned nanna resulted from that union, and eventually my father.

Now, 60 years later, I have witnessed a potentially beautiful Indian heritage overwhelmed as all my great grandfather&#039;s descendants choose to &quot;identify&quot; as aboriginal in order to claim special benefits.  I grew up and played with many of these cousins, and know that they had no special affinity with the land, nor did they have any lore or folk tales drummed into them.  But now they find it convenient to put out their hands for special consideration. They all know how to work the system.

When my father&#039;s brother died, a lot of aborigines sorted out his funeral, and arranged appropriate ceremonies that pleased them.  Now I know he wouldn&#039;t have gone along with all that, because I knew him all his life.  The most disturbing thing for me was that nothing of his Indian heritage was acknowledged, yet he was as much Indian as aboriginal.

My main point, as someone else commented, is that most modern people who identify as aboriginal are in fact genetic mixes.  The big problem from my point of view, is that typically, any other genetic origin is totally ignored as if it didn&#039;t exist.  The psychological stance of &quot;identifying as aboriginal&quot; just doesn&#039;t wash with me.  On that basis, with my proven DNA origins, I could identify as an Orkney Islander.  It&#039;s not good enough to just ignore your true biological make up.  You might have been brought up being indoctrinated with aboriginal culture, so feel comfortable in identifying.  I have used the example of my own cousins, who were not brought up this way, yet still claim to be &quot;brothers&quot; and &quot;sisters&quot; because it benefits them.  They are all just as much Indian as aboriginal, and even more European.  Aboriginals need to seriously think about acknowledging that they have evolved, and that they are just as much European now, possibly more so even than many freshly arrived families in multi-cultural Australia.  We can all assimilate some of the traditional aboriginal culture if it comes to that.  I am about 4th generation English, but definitely have an affinity for the land around the Murray River where I went camping with my father.  Incidentally, he also showed me how to tie a turban.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, let me say that I understand how aborigines have been badly treated over the years, and am sympathetic.  You make some excellent points, even if the emotive language is a bit overdone.  Now, my step-father was dark skinned, and in the 1950s I was always told he was part Indian.  I loved him as a father, and his mother was always my &#8220;nanna&#8221;.  Apparently it wasn&#8217;t the done thing back then to acknowledge any aboriginal heritage.  It wasn&#8217;t until much later, when I began to get seriously into genealogy, that the truth started emerging.</p>
<p>My father told me stories about how his white father had abandoned them, and how he was sent to live with his grandfather who was a farmer near Lakes Entrance in Victoria.  A bit more research revealed that his grandfather was in fact Indian, and had married an aboriginal woman.  My dark skinned nanna resulted from that union, and eventually my father.</p>
<p>Now, 60 years later, I have witnessed a potentially beautiful Indian heritage overwhelmed as all my great grandfather&#8217;s descendants choose to &#8220;identify&#8221; as aboriginal in order to claim special benefits.  I grew up and played with many of these cousins, and know that they had no special affinity with the land, nor did they have any lore or folk tales drummed into them.  But now they find it convenient to put out their hands for special consideration. They all know how to work the system.</p>
<p>When my father&#8217;s brother died, a lot of aborigines sorted out his funeral, and arranged appropriate ceremonies that pleased them.  Now I know he wouldn&#8217;t have gone along with all that, because I knew him all his life.  The most disturbing thing for me was that nothing of his Indian heritage was acknowledged, yet he was as much Indian as aboriginal.</p>
<p>My main point, as someone else commented, is that most modern people who identify as aboriginal are in fact genetic mixes.  The big problem from my point of view, is that typically, any other genetic origin is totally ignored as if it didn&#8217;t exist.  The psychological stance of &#8220;identifying as aboriginal&#8221; just doesn&#8217;t wash with me.  On that basis, with my proven DNA origins, I could identify as an Orkney Islander.  It&#8217;s not good enough to just ignore your true biological make up.  You might have been brought up being indoctrinated with aboriginal culture, so feel comfortable in identifying.  I have used the example of my own cousins, who were not brought up this way, yet still claim to be &#8220;brothers&#8221; and &#8220;sisters&#8221; because it benefits them.  They are all just as much Indian as aboriginal, and even more European.  Aboriginals need to seriously think about acknowledging that they have evolved, and that they are just as much European now, possibly more so even than many freshly arrived families in multi-cultural Australia.  We can all assimilate some of the traditional aboriginal culture if it comes to that.  I am about 4th generation English, but definitely have an affinity for the land around the Murray River where I went camping with my father.  Incidentally, he also showed me how to tie a turban.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2020 07:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well put. You have an excellent grasp of the English language and it is so good to see it being used so well to make a point so irrefutably. Well done.
Over the years I&#039;ve had people make the same comments to me regarding my Aboriginality and it has always annoyed me but after reading your explanation I not only know why I&#039;ve felt so annoyed but I now know what I&#039;m going to say to the next person that says it to me. Thank You for putting this matter into perspective and giving me the confidence to have my &#039;proper&#039; say in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well put. You have an excellent grasp of the English language and it is so good to see it being used so well to make a point so irrefutably. Well done.<br />
Over the years I&#8217;ve had people make the same comments to me regarding my Aboriginality and it has always annoyed me but after reading your explanation I not only know why I&#8217;ve felt so annoyed but I now know what I&#8217;m going to say to the next person that says it to me. Thank You for putting this matter into perspective and giving me the confidence to have my &#8216;proper&#8217; say in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>https://thestringer.com.au/but-you-dont-look-aboriginal-7002/comment-page-1#comment-26335</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2018 01:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you don’t look Aboriginal then you don’t look Aboriginal. It doesn’t speak so deeply to the oppression your relatives experienced. It is a mere observation that goes against how you chose to identify yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don’t look Aboriginal then you don’t look Aboriginal. It doesn’t speak so deeply to the oppression your relatives experienced. It is a mere observation that goes against how you chose to identify yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Garry Detez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garry Detez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2017 10:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not an Aboriginal person but I feel you are a dearly loved sister because not only have you articulated the circumstances of my son and grandkids and many I regard as family  but you have allowed me to have pride in my own identity as an Australian for the first time without guilt. Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not an Aboriginal person but I feel you are a dearly loved sister because not only have you articulated the circumstances of my son and grandkids and many I regard as family  but you have allowed me to have pride in my own identity as an Australian for the first time without guilt. Thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Janet Tooby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet Tooby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2015 01:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thankyou for reminding me of that picture I have seen before. All I can say is this view is sad, sadder than sad. Sad because the hurt in the heart forother loss can be so big ad fo deaden all feeling, all empathy for another. My heart is sad seeing this reading this hurt, sad and glad my heart is able to know the meaning of mothers love and the liss of it so nig our mother earth is not regarded, not respected not acknowledged. Brave hearts run wild we feel we know the power of humanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thankyou for reminding me of that picture I have seen before. All I can say is this view is sad, sadder than sad. Sad because the hurt in the heart forother loss can be so big ad fo deaden all feeling, all empathy for another. My heart is sad seeing this reading this hurt, sad and glad my heart is able to know the meaning of mothers love and the liss of it so nig our mother earth is not regarded, not respected not acknowledged. Brave hearts run wild we feel we know the power of humanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicolle</title>
		<link>https://thestringer.com.au/but-you-dont-look-aboriginal-7002/comment-page-1#comment-25396</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicolle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2015 03:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thankyou, so eloquently put... Now you will be told you don&#039;t sound like an Aboriginal.. &quot; oh but you speak so well &quot; ... Hahaha thankyou though, I was lucky that my mother taught me to be proud and stand tall... And I had plenty of Aunties telling me you not half this or quarter that you either are or your not....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thankyou, so eloquently put&#8230; Now you will be told you don&#8217;t sound like an Aboriginal.. &#8221; oh but you speak so well &#8221; &#8230; Hahaha thankyou though, I was lucky that my mother taught me to be proud and stand tall&#8230; And I had plenty of Aunties telling me you not half this or quarter that you either are or your not&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Fair-skinned and proud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fair-skinned and proud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2015 14:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thestringer.com.au/but-you-dont-look-aboriginal-7002/comment-page-1#comment-23134&quot;&gt;Jack&lt;/a&gt;.

Aboriginality is more than a mere genetic code; it is more complex than that. Aboriginality is more to do with a spiritual connection with country, cultural traditions that is passed down generation-to-generation, it is the Dreaming and all it represents.
As far as you comment about historically inaccurate, what history books have you been reading? Past government assimilation policies attempted to strip us of our identity, traditions, languages, culture and our countries of which included policies of removal, segregation, oppression which is tantamount to genocide. What rock have you been living under Jack that you must not have access to books, television or media that you do not know that &#039;White Australia has a BLACK History&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thestringer.com.au/but-you-dont-look-aboriginal-7002/comment-page-1#comment-23134">Jack</a>.</p>
<p>Aboriginality is more than a mere genetic code; it is more complex than that. Aboriginality is more to do with a spiritual connection with country, cultural traditions that is passed down generation-to-generation, it is the Dreaming and all it represents.<br />
As far as you comment about historically inaccurate, what history books have you been reading? Past government assimilation policies attempted to strip us of our identity, traditions, languages, culture and our countries of which included policies of removal, segregation, oppression which is tantamount to genocide. What rock have you been living under Jack that you must not have access to books, television or media that you do not know that &#8216;White Australia has a BLACK History&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: Debbi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2015 14:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In hiphopnotic prose you express my angst. Tell my story. My life. My pride. All power and love to you my unknown sister.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In hiphopnotic prose you express my angst. Tell my story. My life. My pride. All power and love to you my unknown sister.</p>
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		<title>By: Phylis</title>
		<link>https://thestringer.com.au/but-you-dont-look-aboriginal-7002/comment-page-1#comment-25389</link>
		<dc:creator>Phylis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2015 06:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yep got told again by a sheila on the train back on Thursday  &#039;but you don&#039;t look Aboriginal&#039;,sick of using the cup of tea Analogy!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yep got told again by a sheila on the train back on Thursday  &#8216;but you don&#8217;t look Aboriginal&#8217;,sick of using the cup of tea Analogy!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2015 05:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said and there is so many of us questioned when we say we&#039;re Aboriginal. I have some many ties had times had my say when people I know and people think I know when they start their little rant. I let them go I don&#039;t say a word and when their finished, I look straight at them and just say quietly. I&#039;m Aboriginal and Proud so you never know who your speaking with. We&#039;re of all different shades yet we are one. 
Then I hear this you don&#039;t look Aboriginal and I didn&#039;t mean you.. I look at them and say to late then I turn and walk away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said and there is so many of us questioned when we say we&#8217;re Aboriginal. I have some many ties had times had my say when people I know and people think I know when they start their little rant. I let them go I don&#8217;t say a word and when their finished, I look straight at them and just say quietly. I&#8217;m Aboriginal and Proud so you never know who your speaking with. We&#8217;re of all different shades yet we are one.<br />
Then I hear this you don&#8217;t look Aboriginal and I didn&#8217;t mean you.. I look at them and say to late then I turn and walk away.</p>
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